Rogues Have a Bad Rep?

Whit dae ye mean ah’m shifty lookin’? Did ah ever dae somethin’ to you?! Hmph.  Seems everybody these days thinks a rogue is some sort of bad guy or somethin’ *grumble

human rogueI am concerned.  There seems to be a prevalent belief amongst players that rogues are mean / idiots / kids / ninjas (not the cool bandana-wearing type).  I really don’t like that fact that people will assume, when I join a group, that I am one of the above.  I’ve never ninja’d something, I am not a child and I don’t think I act like one (with strangers, anyway) and I most definitely try not to be mean.  I am a happy person, an optimistic one.

Why is it, then, that rogues have such a bad rep?  I mean, I’ve personally had more issues with mages being arses to me but it doesn’t mean I’ll assume that any mage I group with is an arse.  What I think of people is usually based on their performance or manner.  They get kudos even if they do mess up, if they realise and apologise for their mistakes as it at least means they are aware of them (and is a courtesy I hope will be extended to me when I mess up).

So, why do people hate rogues?  The class makes up around 12% of the player base according to Warcraft Realms - not the highest but equal to warriors and just below hunters in popularity.  Hunters have had a bad rep in general for a long time but it’s only recently I’ve noticed such a high rogue hostility outside of pvp so whats the deal?

Stunlocking- Nothing can be more frustrating than not having control over your own character.  A lot of frustration about rogues seems to stem from the fact that a lollermaces rogue can keep someone stunned whilst smashing their health into the ground.  Calmly explaining that I hate pvp and couldn’t stunlock or burst damage my way out of a paper bag makes no difference.  All rogues are stunlocking buggers with…

‘No skill’ - It takes no skill to play a rogue, apparently.  It’s ‘easymode’ since all rogues can stunlock everyone to death.  See above.  About the only time I’d agree with this is when a rogue is weilding lollermaces - procs are not skill and this works for warriors, too.   However, learning to keep someone locked down takes a little time and effort.  Doing it well and being able to recover from their attempts to break out of it even more so.

From both these points, all I have to say is ‘don’t hate rogues just because they handed your arse to you in pvp’.

Also, rogue dps in pve is simple.  This does not mean that it is easy to be a good rogue.  To make the most of my dps I had to sit down and work on my combat cycle - yes rogues might have a reputation for sinister strike spam and that is partly true but I have to keep up SnD 100% of the time, try to juggle so that rupture has high uptime, too, and time my burst cooldowns to maximise both of these - just like most other classes.  Oh and I have to do it whilst running in and out of melee range for most bosses.  Now, this is something I, personally, revel in.  When we have a melee on Azgalor I ask to be that melee.  Standing killing infernals is deathly boring and though running in and out of a fire is less ’safe’ I know how to deal with it and relish the challenge it brings to playing my cycles.

Either way, I don’t think rogues are especially easy compared to other classes in pve dps situations.

Ninja-ing - Apparantly rogues are common committers of the foul deed of ninja-ry.  Now, I’ve never experienced this and never done it myself so I really don’t understand where it comes from - rogues are limited as to what they can wear (leather, cloth) and can wield a far smaller number of weapons than, say, a warrior or hunter.  I can’t explain this one as, like I say, I’ve never experienced it.

DPS - This is an issue of sheer e-peen and I have seen this working both ways.  Rogues are seen as being concerned overly with their dps.  Guess what?  It’s all a rogue can bring to most encounters (bar a little cc) so it will be foremost in their thoughts.  I have seen rogues picked on for not being top dps even when horribly undergeared comparative to whoever is preening and I have seen rogues who strut their epeen about being highest dps versus other class with dual roles or responsibilites.  This is a player-by-player issue and is committed to some degree by all classes capable of dpsing.

Any arse who cares more baout his personal dps than the raid / group is an arse - it doesn’t matter what class s/he is.

Loot Entitlement - This is another one where I can see from both sides of the argument - having to compete with feral druids, fury warriors, enhancement shaman and hunters for some loot can be irritating (as I’m sure it is for them to have to compete with rogues) but everyone is entitled to the loot which will help them progress.
However, the amount of bitching you hear when someone even suggests that a piece is ‘nice for rogues’ is astounding.  All I hear from most is ‘must justify why I want to take this piece of loot’ rather than being able to sit down and say ‘Yeah, nice loot for a rogue and, hey, my fury warrior would love that too’.  Some stuff will actually benefit one class more than another but, to be honest, it really depends on the player making best use of it so is more case-by-case.aurik beg

I’d love to hear anything you could add to this list - even if just to be aware of possible prejudices I might face if I leave the swaddling of my usual guild groups.

However, I can’t let it rest at that, so I’m going to add some reasons you should like rogues.

Stuns - Not stunlocking, per say, but stuns in general - quite often myself and another rogue will take a necromancer in Mount Hyjal and trade stuns, burning down an untanked / un cc’d mob.  They can also take the heat from a healer in an aggro touchy fight, giving the tank a few seconds to pick the battered mob up before it chews its way through the squishy.

Vanish - Unlike some other dps classes the tank should not need to worry so much about aggro concerning rogues as a vanish will drop him/her below the radar with concern to theat even if their dps is phenomonal.

Lockboxes - Well, noone else is going to unlock those 20 Eternium Lockboxes you have stashed on your bank alt…

Lockpicking - I can’t count the number of times I’ve been asked to open Arca / SH / DM / whatever instance door when noone has a key.  Thank your local rogue for bothering to spend the time maxing their lockpicking skill!

Ok, so most of these are pretty arbitrary but, to be honest, you should appreciate any and every good player.  Their class does not matter, at all!  If someone is going to be a twit then they will be one irregardless.  Believing someone will be a bad player because of their class is unfair and will often make you judge them harsher than if you’d assumed neither way to begin with - thus fulfilling your (negative) expectations.

Appreciate any player who is good - no matter what their class.  Some classes are seen as ‘easier’ (lol faceroll huntard, warlol, rog) but to be great at something you have to try.  It’s usually obvious when someone is trying and when they’re not.

gnome rogue

So, go out there and give your local lovable ruffian some /hugs!

11 Comments so far

  1. Saresa July 11th, 2008 2:57 am

    I often wonder why people have this weird misconception that rogues are an easy class to play. I will admit, I have only played mine to the grand level of 17, but she certainly seemed very challenging at the time! I don’t believe ANY dps class is simple to play (although sometimes people will say otherwise), and our careful balance of sheer power and aggro are a crucial part in any fight.

    Also, I do not believe I have ever met a ninjaing rogue… not sure where that idea comes from either.

  2. Jezrael July 11th, 2008 5:39 am

    /applaud

    As a member of one of the other commonly despised classes (hunters) I highly endorse this post.

    I still really hate getting stunlocked in BGs though *grin*

  3. Beli Flinthammer July 11th, 2008 6:04 am

    I only recall one situation where I dealt with a ninjaing rogue. I was clearing a camp, heading towards a chest by the tent. I had one mob left to pull when I noticed a rogue stealthing up to the chest and he stood there, waiting for me to pull so he could loot the chest and run. I was actually going to just walk to the next camp and force the rogue to kill the last mob, but I got too close to the mob as I was leaving. Sure enough, as soon as I got the aggro, he started looting away and ran off. This was a level 20ish camp so there was nothing in there worth getting upset about. Wasn’t worth the rogue leaving this kind of impression on me either.

    Other than pvp stunlocks, no problem with rogues in general. When I was more active in the game, there were so many rogues that they had a hard time getting into raids or groups. Hence why we saw so many in pvp instead. ;)

  4. Noobiewan July 11th, 2008 9:28 am

    I love my Rogue, got him to Lvl 60 and will be making the push for 70 soon. The only Rogues I don’t like are the Noobiewan-hunting Horde variants who run wild in the battlegrounds. I don’t do BG often, but when I do you can bet your gold stash that it’ll be rogues who get me the most.

  5. Flaime July 11th, 2008 5:46 pm

    I hate rogues…in PvP. Because of stunlock…There is NOTHING less fun that having to sit and watch a rogue kill you and you not being able to DO ANYTHING. Especially on a lock or a mage. At least on my druid, I have a chance to resist some of the stuns.

    And I’ve seen ninjas from every class but druids…why not druids? Cause I don’t like competing for druid drops;).

  6. Euripedes July 11th, 2008 9:56 pm

    Technically speaking, it takes no skill to play a rouge.

  7. Will July 11th, 2008 10:38 pm

    Maybe its my server but I have never seen/had and issue with rogues. Hunters, on the other hand I have experienced many issues with. Learning to be good with any class is a time consuming and prideful experience. Stun locking or chain trapping are both examples. And contrary to Euripedes comment, who plays a mage, snicker easy, all toons are a reflection of the player. The good toons go out of there way to learn how to play while the rest do not.
    Maybe the reason for your perception is simply your server, i.e. many bad rogues on your server? Maybe like my self, where I have to fight the huntard syndrome, you have to fight the roguetard syndrome on your server?

  8. Will July 11th, 2008 10:41 pm

    Oh and critical qq that was a joke.

  9. Euripedes July 12th, 2008 7:26 pm

    The idea that DPS classes are easy to play is part of the charm of playing a DPS class.

    We damage dealers know better :D

  10. Larísa July 14th, 2008 9:29 am

    Oh what a cute little rogue! With pink pigtails! Is it yours? I LOVE it! :)

    Actually I never realized rogues had a bad reputation. I’m currently levelling my first alt - a rogue (gnome of course, but with black hair, no pigtails for this one - she’s a bit tougher than her sister) - and I’m totally in love with her. Just look at the moves, the animations in the fights! It’s so physical… and very very different to be a mage, though we’re basically supposed to do the same thing - dps mobs and keep them incapacitated if we can…

    But being in close combat all the time forces you to think a bit differently.

  11. Aboo September 12th, 2008 7:32 pm

    I find it hilarious that people find Stuns so aggravating in PvP :) And yes, my rogue weilds dual S3 maces in BG’s.

    Let me be the first to tell you, stun-locking is one of THE most difficult things to do well in PvP, period. If you screw it up, you die, especially against Warlocks and Mages. Who are the ones who hate it most because we’re the only class that can lock them down the same way they lock everyone else down.

    Although, as I said, it is dang hard to do. Even if you’re a “lollermace” rogue. :)

    Btw - Take that “lollermace” rogue into Kara and hold a top 3 dps spot… then come back and tell me how easy it is. :) (specifically for your dps comment lol).

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