If 5 man heroics don’t drop COnquest tokens than you’re still forcing people to run through older raid content like Naxx again…which is what this is also trying to avoid.

Yes running Naxx will result in more, but its still a raid meaning you have to find a large group, dedicate hours to do it, and hope your group is geared or not-blowing it off so you don’t wipe or have to call it quits.

Dedicated raiders will runn Naxx for the tokens, and probably do it fairly easy and efficiently. For others they can slowly gather them through 5 mans and occasional PUGs for Naxx.

As to it devalueing your achievement? Ragnaros and Onyxia back in the day was hard work, many hours, coming up with strategies (no PTR, no BOsskilers.com, no guild videos/strats)…and now people can solo or at least 2 man these bosses. Doesn’t take away my achievement becasue I did it back then and some had to wait awhile to do it. Same thing here just a shorter time frame.

“The people saying “Oh what’s the point of even raiding now” or “They’re giving away free T8″ really annoy me. How does it in one way affect you or your past achievements?”

It doesn’t affect me or my past achievements in the sense that they’re literally taken away, but it *does* invalidate the work my guild put into it, unfortunately. You put X amount of work into something and get Y. When X is drastically and suddenly reduced to basically 0 but you still get Y, it’s a little disconcerting.

Eventually all content will be trivialized, due to gear upgrades and level increases. That’s inevitable, certainly. But the sudden sharp increase of trivialization (ie, making rewards accessible through 5 man heroics suddenly, rather than 25 man Ulduar) is just too sharp a change. I guess it comes down to the fact that I still think casual players should put in a bit of effort to get the same rewards as hardcore raiders. Not AS much, perhaps, especially since once 3.2 comes, it’ll be a tier behind us, and also, because casuals typically don’t have as much time as hardcore raiders, but still SOME effort. And I guess I don’t think that 5 man heroics count as effort. =/

It’s not about my epeen… it’s about the time, sweat, and blood my guild and I put into this instance, and having the reward we got for it be attainable by FAR less effort in the near future. I understand not wanting to have to have players run Naxx, and then Ulduar, over and over and then finally they’re ready for 3.2’s instance. But I think 5 man heroics are just far too easy to be worthy of awarding people T8.5 tokens.

Many people do not have the time, and some people who have the time might not want to be in a serious raiding guild.

It’s not even necessarily sharing, people in Ulduar gear don’t have to share or give up anything.